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The President Disallows Debate on Women’s Ordination
After the recommendation coming from General Pastors’ Conference that women’s ordination should be discussed at General Convention, that is exactly what occurred. Pr Semmler had to allow discussion because of this resolution, but that’s all it was – a discussion.
To begin with, he gave the floor to a couple of men from the Dialogue Group on forming consensus to report on their progress, but they offered nothing to help delegates in their deliberations. The main thing they reported was that they had to learn to listen to each other.
In the ‘discussion’ conservative pastors knew that they didn’t need to speak. This is also attested to by the fact that a conservative pastor commented to a youth on Sunday at NOVO (youth camp) that they (conservative pastors) had figured out a way to get around the women’s ordination issue.
Around 18 people spoke in favour and 3 or 4 spoke against.
After Pr Semmler distributed one of his epistles to the Church against women’s ordination, the ‘discussion’ was brought to an end with the declaration that Pr John Henderson was the successful candidate for the position of bishop (nomenclature voted on earlier in the afternoon). (Tues morning, Greg Pietsch was announced as the new Assistant Bishop.)
The following now need to be considered as we discern how the Holy Spirit would have us act:
- the disregard for laity,
- the lack of transparency,
- the refusal to debate St Stephen’s motion,
- the refusal to allow a vote,
- the refusal to facilitate the will of delegates,
- the dishonest claim that “in effect it is the people in the pews, rather than church leaders, who determine the direction of our church”,
- the duplicitous communication from Pr Semmler,
- the sly sidelining of an issue that is important to the vast majority of members (not just delegates), and
- the hypocritical use of Where Love Comes to Life as a General Convention theme.
Power, Politics, and the Missouri Synod follows the rise of two Lutheran clergymen – Herman Otten and J. A. O. Preus – who led different wings of a conservative movement that seized control of a theologically conservative but socially and politically moderate church denomination (LCMS) and drove “moderates” from the church in the 1970s. The schism within what was then one of the largest Protestant denominations in the United States ultimately reshaped the landscape of American Lutheranism and fostered the polarization that characterizes today’s Lutheran churches. Burkee’s story, supported by personal interviews with key players and church archives sealed for over twenty years, is about more than Lutheranism. The remaking of this one Lutheran denomination reflects a broader movement toward theological and political conservatism in American churches – a movement that began in the 1970s and culminated in the formation of the “Religious Right.”
In closing we note how the resistance to women’s participation in the LCA is dominated by clergy.
The following comment from Burkee about the LCMS equally applies to the LCA: “Through (their) inability to draw lay support to the conservative movement’s delegate- and convention-focused strategy, the movement’s Pyrrhic victory had little to do with lay support.”
We were having a Bible study on “The feminine side of God” at my church. I tried to bite my lip but after an irrelevant point was laboured for some 5 minutes, I said, “In 1452AD, the synod of the Eastern Church debated whether angels had wings. The next year they were under the scimitar, doomed to extinction. In 1917, the Russian Orthodox debated whether they should have black or white robes. The next year they had no robes in the gulags. The scimitar is raised and we’re debating this nonsense.” The country is going to hell in a big way and women are worried about looking important in the church. What about your grandchildren?
ReplyDeleteProv 24:21 "My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change:" Those pushing relentlessly for women’s ordination are those given to change
It was Eve who wanted to make herself like God some 6000 years ago. Her husband followed compliantly. So it has always been that a woman can always twist a man around her fingers. To my surprise, I found women more prone to ok sin than men. They generally will support leftist causes like LGBT, environmentalism, feminism and so on. It’s the same disease the feminists have - nothing to do with feminism – yeah, right.
On domestic abuse: Ask the woman why she chose that man. Was it because he was a bad-arse with a bit of charm? Women tend to gravitate to these types of men, they are exciting.
After the suffragettes won all the basic rights men had, you’d think they’d be satisfied, but no, along came the feminists. Here’s an excerpt from the meetings one of them used to hold – Kate Millett – the sort of things taught in tertiary Women’s Studies:
"Why are we here today?" she asked. "To make revolution," they answered.
"What kind of revolution?" she replied. "The Cultural Revolution," they chanted.
“And how do we make Cultural Revolution?" "By destroying the American family!" they answered.
"How do we destroy the family?" she came back. "By destroying the American Patriarch," they cried.
"And how do we destroy the American Patriarch?” "By taking away his power!"
"How do we do that?" "By destroying monogamy!" they shouted.
"How can we destroy monogamy?" "By promoting promiscuity, eroticism, prostitution and homosexuality!"
That victory was won in the 1970’s with most churches being complicit, including the Lutheran church. That was when the marriage laws were rewritten to make sure that women would have final dominion over men in Australia. Now at marriage or even cohabitation, a man has signed over complete control of his children and financial affairs to his wife who in any divorce settlement, will get the lions share of the spoils, leaving him destitute and in debt paying exhorbitant amounts for support.
I remember a movie, the owner-boss took the staff to dinner. One asked, “How’s the divorce going Boss?” He replied “Oh, that’s over, she got half of everything, 250 million quid – no kids you see. Now let me see, … that’s over 2 million a shag, [expletive], I could have hired a high class London prostitute for a thousand quid nightly.” That’s the effect women’s liberation has had on morals in the Western world.
Isaiah 3:12 “Youths oppress my people, women rule over them. My people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path. 13 … 14 The LORD enters into judgment against the elders and leaders of his people: It is you who have ruined my vineyard.” Church leaders have ruined the vineyard. One of the judgements of God is that women (and youths) will have authority over men. That’s how it is today.
So, before the scimitar falls, having put men under their feet, women must now conquer the last domain, the church. Women opressed? What nonsense!